paulg: So tonight we shall just let Valeria and Wayne bid a few hands ... and then I'll open the table up and we can play a few unprepared hands sallyally: no BILmanager here to send out a broadcast - can you do that ->sallyally: nope ->sallyally: mary should be along soon raychan: wat is meaning of takeout pls? ->raychan: please bid partner fiscryder->Kibitzers: have q been looking for answer.... in sayc... p opens 1sp.... you have 7 hearts and opening points.. what would bidding sequence be??? paulg: so you might have considered playing the !hQ there .... paulg: now I've seen the !h2 I know my partner has 3 hearts and so can cash the !hk safely paulg: here too, play the !dQ and hide the !dJ Bimse->Club: Helmut and I want some funny opps....................:-) welcome here paulg: just try and confuse the defence as much as possible when you can paulg: where's your club loser going? sceptic: on the K!D I forgot to play paulg: well bid, this is the par score paulg: as 4!h makes for North-South paulg: Val, did you consider any bid other than 4!s ? 1Valeria->Club: 3S paulg: what is 4!d? 1Valeria: I wasn't sure they make 4 1Valeria: i considered 3!S 1Valeria: splinter i think paulg: sure, but I think 4!s is better than 3!s because of the pressure it puts on raychan: wat is splinter? 1Valeria: whereas 3!D nat paulg: ok, i thought 4!d might be fit 1Valeria: not sure 1Valeria: ok ->raychan: splinter is shortage, singleton or void raychan: ok thanx 1Valeria: but gives a lot of inform to opp ? paulg: true paulg: for interest, notice North's pass of the second takeout double ... paulg: the second double shows a good hand but is still asking partner to bid ... paulg: but partner should only bid to a making contract ... here North can see little chance of making a 5-level contract paulg: and, as a balanced hand, is happy to try and beat 4!s 1Valeria: he might have considered 5!C paulg: too balanced ... 1Valeria: y paulg: for those that have read the Law of Total Tricks this is a good example paulg: balanced hands are generally better to defend on auctions like this ... raychan: asking...the 1st 2 doubles r takeout bids is it? paulg: if South was VERY distributional, he could bid 4NT for takeout rather than the second double ->raychan: ray, yes paulg: board 2 paulg->Kibitzers: so 4!c and 4!h are cuebids, showing 1st or 2nd round control sceptic: glp 1Valeria: ty 1Valeria: -1 paulg: yep paulg: so i thought bidding 6!s would be difficult! 1Valeria->Club: lol paulg: i think you both had rose tinted glasses here .... sceptic->Club: stopping in 6!s is difficult :) paulg: you started very well .... up to the 4!h bid ... 1Valeria: well 3S is not GF paulg: as wayne's hand is limited, by the initial pass and 1NT response ... paulg: he should not be using keycard! paulg: i think a simple 5!d would have been fine ... sceptic: I did consider that paulg: as you saw, you needed 4 controls AND the !sQ for slam to be good ... paulg: which is why you should let Val make the running paulg: Val probably overlooked the initial pass and 1NT response in bidding 7!s ... paulg: it's hard to see a hand that would make 7!s opposite 1Valeria: well he may have 5 or 6 good C only answered paulg: true, but he could have responded 2!c as a passed hand with that 1Valeria: no 1Valeria: rev drury sceptic: yes I never expected to get to 7 I thought 4nt would let me stop in 5!S if I had strectch myself paulg: ah, you mean wayne should have used reverse drury with this hand then? 1Valeria: no paulg: ok 1Valeria: he couldn't bid 2!C to show !C 1Valeria: as it is drury paulg: generally you want to be fairly certain when you bid a grand slam .... paulg: the odds need to be very good as the opps may not even be in 6!s ... paulg: .... as happened on this hand when played .... so even 6!s gets the majority of points paulg: in this case I think you've both overbid a little to reach the grand ... paulg: on to the next ... 1Valeria: ty sceptic: glp paulg: well bid ... paulg: i thought you might overstretch on this one 1Valeria->Club: well defended :)) paulg: i'm good at defence ... paulg: although it's pretty easy for North - clear that partner has no useful values paulg: wayne's bidding was interesting ... i like the 3!c bid paulg: next board raychan: y u never bid 2d after 1h? ->raychan: not when vulnerable and a weak 5-card suit 1Valeria: ty hali11: hi ->raychan: here I would lose 800 even when I have 4-card support opposite raychan: ok thanx... ->raychan: it's too balanced too, that;s the other problem hallway (Lobby): Hi :-) I thought Mary was with you as BILmanager ->hallway: not seen here today paulg: well done ... a nice controlled bidding sequence and well played 1Valeria: ty hallway (Lobby): Oh I will swap ID's be back in a minute paulg: i might have responded differently with wayne's hand ... with 8 losers I may have bid 1!s and then rebid 3!h paulg: but it all leads to the same contract sceptic: I did consider that, but I dont look for spades after hearts if we have a fit sceptic: show fit first Sherri: are ? allowed? paulg: you have a fit, but are worth 2.5!h which is why I might bid 1!s first sceptic: i c paulg: i was asked if I would overcall 2!d with the North hand .... BILmanager (Lobby): => Club: !D!D Beg/Int Lounge - PAULG's Teaching Table now in session - all welcome !D!D paulg: i said no, because the suit is a poor 5-card suit, and the hand is balanced paulg: it looks like 2!d doubled would go down -800 .... paulg: and this is when partner has a good hand with 4-card support ... paulg: imagine the carnage if he didn't have that ... paulg: so for vulnerable 2-level overcalls you need a good suit, normally 6-cards, and distribution ... paulg: not necessarily points. Sherri: It looked like help suit game try by Val....How does opener ever show a good second suit when p's play this convention? raychan: how many pts u will usually need for 2 overcall? ->Sherri: they cannot Sherri: do you recommend? ->Sherri: i play something similar, game tries show suits that need help Sherri: y ->sceptic: I hope you weren't thinking of bidding over 2!h!!! sceptic: nope not at all ->sceptic: that's ok then - there was a slight pause :) sceptic: I am considering x as my p would only pass at that level with hearts in her hand (I hope) sceptic: no one of kibs was semnding me a message sceptic: ah she saved me the trouble bzstvn: Hi, all. paulg: hi sceptic: thinking bzstvn: When did this session begin? ->bzstvn: 45 mins ago paulg: well done .... paulg: some interesting points in the bidding .... paulg: Val, did your pass of 1!H-XX show anything? bzstvn: I thought 7pm in UK was 9pm in Hungary. I'm sorry for being late :-( 1Valeria: not a suit i want bid quite bal ->bzstvn: np, we'll be playing some hands soon sceptic: now that is not what I expected I cant see why she never bid 1!S 1Valeria: so is good what Wayne shows as 4cards suit paulg: right paulg: it's important to know if this pass shows hearts ... some pairs play that it shows an interest in playing 1H-XX ... paulg: not that Wayne is interested in that! 1Valeria: nor do I! paulg: you can get the contract down 2 by switching to diamonds .... but not easy to do that paulg: -1 will always be a good score paulg: so last prepared hand lorran: pass? paulg: we shall need some volunteers to play after this hand - please message BILmanager if you want to play ->lorran: who's pass? lorran: u not 2h? robertn: can you comment briefly on south bidding on last hand? geofspa: is 1N forcing from a passed hand in 2/1 ? ->lorran: balanced hand, 5-card suit, vulnerable robertn: is rdbl usual with so many hearts? paulg: south's bidding with 5 hearts was strange .... paulg: but it did happen at the table and I thought the redouble would ask some questions of their bidding robertn: thx :) BILmanager: are you going to be having anyone else play later or not ? (being asked) ->lorran: so I wouldn't recommend 2!H ->BILmanager: yes, after this hand, 2 players per 2 boards Sherri: redbl show reps believes hand belong to the partnership, but usually no support and 2NT in comp shows support and 10+? 1Valeria: ty paulg: sherri, that's the more normal meaning Sherri: hard to keep it all straight lol klidescope: why 1nt instead of 2!s ? BILmanager->Kibitzers: We will be changing players from the next board (2 board rounds) please message me privately if you want to play paulg: well done, nicely bid sceptic: sigh 1Valeria->Club: lol 1Valeria: 2!D sceptic: cant see to bid a slam paulg: you did well not to get too high paulg: since they would cash both aces if you bid 6!s 1Valeria: fit 3rd 9 11 BILmanager: !D I need one more player for the next 2 boards please !D lorran: very bad def paulg: why is the defence bad? 1Valeria: lol :) paulg: anyhow did you recognise any of the hands? lorran: left holding ace paulg: c'est la vie paulg: because you played all of these hands last Monday .... hence the table title "Rebidding problems" BILmanager->Kibitzers: !D has the cat got your tongues - lol ONE more player needed for the next board - give me your name now please !D paulg: but I did switch your positions, so you held each others hand .. if you understand me BILmanager: they have all gone shy - lol sceptic: I do now lol paulg: interestingly most hands were bid differently ... but to the same contract ACBL (Broadcast): !D!D!C!D!DSIGN UP NOW !D5min!D ACBL Pairs !D5min!D SIGN UP NOW!!D!D!C!D!D paulg: although you didn't bid the 7!s last week sceptic: so we are improving lol paulg: well ..... 1Valeria: :) sceptic: haha paulg: in non-competitive hands I'd like to see some consistency .... BILmanager: !D!D The players to join the table for the next 2 boards are raychan and sallyally thx !D!D paulg: in competition it can always feel different ... paulg: but it worth checking out the auctions you had to see if you are evaluating differently - i'll put both on the website sceptic: thx paul paulg: we shall move on ... 1Valeria: hi :) BILmanager: !D thank you :-)) sceptic: hi ray and sally sallyally: hi all paulg: as always, the players can always message me to help out paulg: ... and resolve partnership understandings paulg: questions from the audience welcome too geofspa: twice there I noticed wayne passed then alerted 1N as forcing 1 ... is that standard by a passed hand ? ->geofspa: not for me, but many do if they include a limit 3-card raise and do not play drury 1Valeria: typ ->sceptic: what is the 2!c response? sceptic: it was what 2!D was supposed to be geofspa: i belive they do lots of conventions so I would be surprised if drury not one of them .... in fact didn't val say wayne couldn't bid 2!c naturally because it was drury ? sceptic: 2!C is 4!S and 9-11 ->geofspa: yes, they are inconsistent kasey28: can you take a sec and explain drury....didn't see it on either card ->sceptic: why do you need a forcing 1NT as a passed hand when you play drury ->kasey28: ok, after the hand sceptic: cos I am just learning drury and not 100% sure what I am doing, Val insists we play it ->sceptic: :) kasey28: thanks...and is it a convention we "must" know or should know fiscryder: newed to be more regimented sceptic: I am not 100% sure we keep both, but I wil;l try it for a bit and see how it goes ->kasey28: it is worth knowing because many do play it .., but not necessary :) kasey28: ok...thank you:)) sallyally: wdo 1Valeria: sy forgot trump paulg: well done paulg: forgetting the trump was an expert play ... until you said "forget" remmelt->Club: 2 seats open @ITIEN, please join and play against Holland :))) paulg: you were right to play diamonds before drawing trumps otherwise you could lose control paulg: so many have asked about Drury .... nzakosek: shouldn't 2!d bid show 4 trump? paulg: ORIGINALLY this was a conventional response of 2!c by a passed hand to show 1Valeria: we play rev drury paulg: trump support and a maximum pass sceptic: is it better to use 1nt non forcing passed hand? with drury ->sceptic: yes paulg: it is used on hands such as wayne's here ... paulg: and really asks the opener if she has a full opener, in which case you have a game invite, ... paulg: or does she have a sub-minimum hand like this ... paulg: originally the only drury response was 2!c .... paulg: but it got expanded and many people now play both 2!c and 2!d to show 3-card and 4-card support paulg: I believe most use 2!c to show 3-card and 2!d to show 4-card ... but Val and Wayne reverse this raychan: so 2 card drury means 3 caed support for most pple? paulg: yes BILmanager->Kibitzers: !D!D Who else wants to play 2 boards - message me privately please !D!D raychan: ok.... paulg: by playing Drury there is no need to play a forcing 1NT by a passed hand ... paulg: currently Val and Wayne play this, but they should examine why as they move forward 1Valeria: Bob make us play also 1NT forcing don't know why paulg: for example, suppose wayne just had 2 spades and 4 hearts on this hand .... sallyally: should I double the !D bid for lead direction? or signal a !D during play? paulg: you would prefer to play 1NT ->1Valeria: Ask Bob why :) 1Valeria: :)) ->sallyally: no ->sallyally: need a better hand and suit to double ->BILmanager: do you have another couple of players? BILmanager: working on it - being very shy today geofspa: you are much more diplomatic than I am when I talk to wayne ;-) ->BILmanager: ok, we can leave ray and sally in place for a hand? 1Valeria: glp ->geofspa: but you know him personally> sceptic: hopefully gives away no info to opps geofspa: yes BILmanager: if I need to just need one more ->BILmanager: ask robertn or nzakosek or HelenJon ... BILmanager: ok sallyally: wdo paulg: so what did 3NT show? raychan: 13pts sceptic: no 4 card major suit BILmanager: !D robertn and johnspain will play the next 2 boards thx !D raychan: ok paulg: it seems a very practical bid on this hand ... and as you mentioned it denies the opponents information bertt: 2!C wud show the same thing Therese3: if playing 2/1, why not simply bid 2 clubs? GF anyway BILmanager: thank you :-)) paulg: one of the problems with 2/1 is finding bids that limit the hand ... robertn: sayc with standard carding John? 1Valeria: hello johnspain: yes paulg: here wayne has an opportunity to show 13-15 points, balanced hand, no 4-card major sceptic: hi robert juan Therese3: tu johnspain: hi robertn: hi all paulg: bidding 2!c will only result in the opponent's getting more information from the bidding ... bzstvn: Then 2Nt would be something else in 2/1? paulg: as Michael Rosenberg said ... "at the end of an auction, you should regret every bid except the last" ->sceptic: what's a 2NT response to 1!D sceptic: 13 15 gf 1Valeria: lol paulg: val and wayne play that a 2NT bid is 13-15 game forcing, presumably with some !d support sceptic: but when we use it we always get into trouble val loves to hit the slams she needs little encouragement hehe sceptic: I am no better lol ->johnspain: 3!c is natural and strong johnspain: ah ok paulg->Kibitzers: so Robert is regretting his 3!c bid now nzakosek: ok Iunatic->Kibitzers: kind of silly to preempt ur own pd paulg->Kibitzers: ... unless you have a specific type of hand sceptic: cant x he will go to a minor which val will set lol ->sceptic: more to the point ... what tricks are you going to make in setting the contract! raychan: wat is bw? ->raychan: blackwood is a convention that asks for aces ->raychan: partner responds with the number of aces he holds ..... larryo1: blackwood johnspain: glp robertn: typ bertt: i think that was a awful way to get there ->raychan: here they are playing a variant - called Roman Keycard - so there are 5 aces ... the 4 normal ones and the king of trumps - the 5!h response shows 2 of the 5 BILmanager: next 2 organised raychan: well done johnspain: wdp robertn: ty 1Valeria: wd sceptic: wd paulg: well done - you got to a good contract .... paulg: however you have raised some interesting points in the bidding ... babog: cud you comment on the bidding please 1Valeria: 3!C is absurd isn't it? paulg: You will see many people playing bergen raises nowadays ... jumps to the 3-level are only made with support for partner ... paulg: but in the good old days, and for many this is still the case, jumps like 3!c showed a good hand! paulg: what a novel concept ;) robertn: :) paulg: however, strong jumps are best used on specific hand types .... 1Valeria: ohh :)) paulg: either (1) hands with a strong single suit .... paulg: or (2) hands with good support for partner and a strong suit paulg: generally it is best not to jump with a two-suited hand without support ... you need all the space you can get to find a contract paulg: so I would not have jumped to 3!c here, but started with 2!c hope: what was the correct bid for Robert? paulg: then the auction would have started .... 1!s-2!c-2!h- ... paulg: and now you can bid 3!d as 4th suit, creating a game force, but you are a level lower paulg: if partner had 5!s, 4!h and 4!d you may now find the diamond fit ... paulg: which would be difficult at the 5-level ->robertn: was this your 1st hand ? robertn: y paulg: so finally, although jumping gets across points, it's normally best to do it with specific hands because of the space it takes geofspa: N could bid drury and south can then show a normal opening hand ? ->geofspa: yes, if they were playing it ->geofspa: in reverse drury, opener would avoid bidding 2!s to show a normal opener geofspa: obviously ... I was kust checking hand types that might bid ;-) geofspa: kust ????????? robertn: typ johnspain: glp geofspa: opener would bid 2!h to show opening values here ? ... a rebid in the opening suit is sub normal ->robertn: next time play the !ha ... now they both know you have it johnspain: :( ->geofspa: yes geofspa: a bit like me ;-) johnspain: wdp 1Valeria: wd paulg: well done, a tough hand to bid ... robertn: ty sceptic: wd BILmanager: !D!D Players for the next 2 boards will be helenjon and nzakosek thx !D!D paulg: john has little choice to bidding 4!s ... he has no 1st round controls, no heart control and only 3 trumps .... paulg: ... a minimum 3!s bid raychan: hey i gtg...thanx for tonite... paulg: the hands fit very well and the !cJ is crucial ... so I would not worry about missing the slam ->raychan: ok, ty jegauntt: what about opening 2nt in s? KW->Club: hi there. paulg: finally, when Wayne returns the !hJ you should play the !hA johnspain: ty Paul robertn: thx Paul paulg: hiding the !hK .... when you play the !hk the opps now know that you have the !hA ... paulg: so try and hide those cards from the defence when declaring ..... it's very easy to do and makes their life even more difficult paulg: thanks to robert and john .... BILmanager: thank you :-) 1Valeria: hi :) HelenJon: hi BILmanager: will this be the last pair ? sceptic: hi helen hi nic nzakosek: hi all ->BILmanager: probably 1 more if available, otherwise these two can play out 1Valeria: typ bertt: ok BILmanager: I have 2 ->BILmanager: excellent paulg: well bid .... paulg: ... although I'm not sure how you knew wayne had 3 spades? 1Valeria: he said 2S paulg: what would he bid with 2=3=2=6 1Valeria: 3C sceptic: I would bid 3!C paulg: ok bzstvn: It could have been set couldn't it? paulg->Kibitzers: so val's hand is the sort that can overcall at the 2 level - 6 card suit, some working values and distribution ->bzstvn: could it? I can't see the hand now 1Valeria: typ bzstvn: By leading a smal !d instead of the !dA, I guess. sceptic: may be 3!H ? OliverC: hi ARTV: how can wayne pass 2H? ->bzstvn: ok, but that relies on partner holding both !dQ and !dJ ... whereas the line just required partner to hold one card, the !dK ->ARTV: i will discuss ->sceptic: not 3!h for me bzstvn: You're right :-) sceptic: Val is making faces at me lol, but she bids this weaker than that hand usually bzstvn: But a samll !d to the K would have been the same... BILmanager: !D!D Players for the last round will be geofspa and bertt !D!D thx ->bzstvn: true sceptic: take K or Q!C awaty and 4 does not make sceptic: or 2!S 2!D paulg: well done sceptic: wdp 1Valeria: ty paulg: so many people want wayne to bid some more :) 1Valeria: yes :) paulg: but I call you all RESULT MERCHANTS !! :)) ARTV: lol 1Valeria: !! OliverC: absolutely right, paul paulg: i guess the real question is what is your strategy when the opposition open with a strong 1NT ... paulg: my strategy is to bid when I can, compete for the part score, try and disturb them paulg: this is because they already have 15-17 points ... the chances of us making game is remote ... paulg: so I want to bid whenever I have a distributional hand .... JKJ: how about Capp , Dont ,Landy? paulg: so when my partner has 4-card support but no shape, I do not want him competing any more ->JKJ: yes, any of those paulg: we are not trying to bid game ourselves ... bertt: hi all paulg: so this is a very rare hand, and in most cases partner will need your !hKJxx to make 2!h 1Valeria: hi :) BILmanager: thank you :-) sceptic: hi bert hi geof geofspa: Hi paulg: even slight changes to val's hand makes game impossible ->sceptic: would 2!s be weak? sceptic: yes paulg->Kibitzers: so Wayne has a good hand for a strong 2!s bid .....a good single suited hand paulg->Kibitzers: however they play a 2!s response to 1!d is a weak bid sceptic: now she supports my spades ->sceptic: strange but true ->geofspa: i'd have made a courtesy raise to 3!c just to ensure the lead against 3NT ARTV: is that not a 3 or 4S hand bid? bzstvn->Kibitzers: Which bid shows an agreed upon !s suit? paulg: we'll discuss the bidding publicly after the hand paulg->Kibitzers: wayne knows spades are agreed after the double, val only knows this with the 4NT bid OliverC: oooops sceptic: 8 Spades :( geofspa: does the X ask for unusual lead ... something other than !c ? ->geofspa: yes sceptic: hmmmm we need to talk p :(( ->sceptic: what did 5!c show? sceptic: sigh 1Valeria: are u so brave? sceptic: ok all I thought val bid 5!d JKJ: Support X ? ->JKJ: yes 1Valeria: planning.... paulg: so i agree with Geof that the double asks for an unusual lead ..... ARTV->Kibitzers: down at least 2 if not 3 sceptic: no idea why I thought that paulg: bert is happy with any lead ;) 1Valeria: thinking.... sceptic: Val has feinted ARTV: lol sceptic->Kibitzers: I am in the dog house for the rest of the week geofspa: I want to see this ->1Valeria: you can claim sceptic: sorry p paulg: i think we understand the error, so we shall move on except to say .... 1Valeria: nice bid p!! bertt: )))) sceptic: I do my best :) paulg: that I feel Wayne should have bid 4NT a round earlier .. he was never going to learn anything useful from 3!c nzakosek: missing 2 keycards paulg: ... and again just offers up free information to the defence paulg: last hand for tonigh ARTV: was Val's bid to the 4NT, not 5!H bzstvn: What time is it over there, Paul? gumboot: thanks - have enjoyed - well presented paulg: no, Val's 5!c showed the one ace ->bzstvn: 9pm ARTV: ok bzstvn: DST? paulg: for others 5!d would show one ace - depends if you are playing 4130 or 3041 ->bzstvn: yes ->sceptic: i'd have overcalled 4!h ... a 6-1 fit will probably play better than 4-4 ->sceptic: well done for passing ... when fixed stay fixed :) sceptic: glp 1Valeria: typ sceptic: ntp wdopps sceptic: thx all paulg: well defended bertt: nice de part paulg: so whose fault was that? I need someone to blame! geofspa: ty seeing dummy it became easier ;-) sceptic: geofs paulg: who do the kibs think ? johnspain: i would bid 4 hearts instead of double? larryo1: west geofspa: I think wayne might risk bidding his !h MiRU: i would have bid 4!h rather than X wakullaman: !d not good enough for 4 level bzstvn: me too paulg: although I agree with most, I think wayne is right to chiefly blame geof Reinhard M: was 2 diamonds open bid not enough ? bertt: i wud bid 5!D over his !h paulg: i think his 4!d showed a good appreciation of the vulnerability MiRU: 6!c was suicide - easy to tell after that game paulg: he has little interest in playing in 3NT with 8 poor diamonds, so make life tough for the opps 1Valeria: lucky didn't bid 7 :)) paulg: wayne is caught with a hand that might be good or bad ... but with little time to decide geofspa: that is exactly how i was thinking ... I hoped to make wayne squirm a little bertt: thats very funny Val ))) paulg: actually double is a poor bid and 4!h is far better .... but you learn this from experience paulg: when there has been a preempt ... you know suits will break badly ... paulg: so finding a 4-4 spade fit will probably not be good .... paulg: and actually a 6-1 heart fit may play better than a 4-4 spade fit ... paulg: this is because you can cope with the diamond leads .... paulg: so I think 4!h would be better paulg: Bert will raise the ante with 5!d and give Val a problem ... bertt: he wud have to go to the 5 level paulg: she may bid 6!h anyhow, but with poor controls a simple 5!h is sufficient .... paulg: as I've said on earlier sessions, get the best result you can after a preempt .. do not look for perfection as bad breaks are about paulg: so 5!h also goes down, so you would not lose too many IMPs paulg: and 5!d makes, so it is a good save paulg: so that's it for tonight .... paulg: many thanks to !h Valeria & !h Wayne 1Valeria: Thank you so much :)) geofspa: thanks paul wayne and val BILmanager: !D Thank you Paul - and thx to Valeria and Wayne for sharing their lesson with us !D bertt: tks paulg: and to all our volunteers babog: thank you all sceptic: thank you 1Valeria: bye geofspa: thanks bert paulg: same time, same place, next week johnspain: ty Paul sceptic: cheers paul BILmanager: thank you :-) bertt: nice playing with u partner sceptic: bye all thx ->BILmanager: thx for help BILmanager: np just glad I logged in Blanca17: thks Paulg:) ->Blanca17: ty Blanca17: ok:)) BILmanager: yes - there were no messages/email for me ->BILmanager: ttfn BILmanager: bye