LadyStar17->Kibitzers: !D!D If you are interested in playing individually or with a partner, please let me know. !D!D paulg: so tonight we'll be playing the hands that I played yesterday .... 1Valeria: so yesterday made tournm as member..... all zero ahahahhahahhah paulg: in a team competition where you had to change partnerships paulg: so these are the first 8 hands .... so we can compare how you do relative to me ... paulg: i did not play with a regular partner ... so you should do better ;) ->LadyStar17: do we have a couple of volunteers 1Valeria: :-) paulg: if you wish to play then just message ladystar17 LadyStar17: nazakosek will play and Jimmy V 1Valeria: hi sceptic: hiya jimmy hiya nic paulg: welcome everyone ... nzakosek: hello Jimmy V: hi all BILmanager: => Club: !d Beg/Int Lounge Members- paulg's session has just begun---- All Members Welcome !d paulg->Kibitzers: so this should be quite a competitive hand ... not easy for north-south to bid paulg->Kibitzers: wayne's hand improves a little with the 2!h bid ... and he does have six spades paulg: by the way, the scoring is IMPs 1Valeria: i'm going to fall off ->1Valeria: not an easy bid for you there :) sceptic: glp ->1Valeria: but wayne should be non-minimum for 2!s 1Valeria: thankx :-) 1Valeria: no certainty.. 1Valeria: typ BILmanager: the NT bid was alerted but not explained what did it mean? paulg->Kibitzers: wayne&val play 2/1, so 1NT was forcing for 1 round ... paulg->Kibitzers: an Acol/SAYC player would probably respond 2!d ... but 2/1 players need a better hand paulg->Kibitzers: notice how difficult it is to defend contracts like this .... which is why everyone overbids paulg: well done .... 1Valeria: ty sceptic: wdp Jimmy V->Club: wdo paulg: so they have bid & made 3NT with a combined 23 count ... paulg: we did the same, except I made 10 tricks :), but North-South would still win 8 IMPs 1Valeria: :( paulg: because it was not bid at the other table 1Valeria: i don't like this -2... paulg: the defence has 5 tricks ... but almost impossible to find the !sK lead paulg: the first decision Valeria had to make was the response to 1!s ... paulg: but as I explained to the kibs, playing 2/1 you need to be slightly stronger to bid 2!d paulg: Also the spade singleton is not nice ... paulg: nicholas' 2!h bid is a good effort at this vulnerability ... paulg: and gives Wayne a mild problem ... but the heart values look better and he has 6 spades ... paulg: so worth competing for the part score .... paulg: which gives Val a real problem :) paulg: she is maximum for 1NT but has no fit and no heart stop ... paulg: this is where there is a difference between IMPs and matchpoint pairs ... Reinhard M: overruffs jimmy a spade king lead with his spade ace because he knows that p plays from a sequence , but sceptic bids 1-2 spades ?? paulg: at pairs I would pass ... be happy if partner makes overtricks ... paulg: but aggression is the key to IMPs, so 3!h asks for a heart stop and they get to the thin game paulg: any questions on this one? Jimmy V: nty sceptic: nty paulg: the kibs are allowed to ask too :) Reinhard M: overruffs Jimmy a spade king lead with ace and plays than spade 4 ? paulg: if jimmy leads the !sK east has to duck otherwise it sets up a spade trick Reinhard M: ok paulg->Kibitzers: wayne's 2!h is game forcing paulg->Kibitzers: wayne has not cuebid, so valeria should pass here assaf->Kibitzers: Should Jimmy overcall at first round? paulg->Kibitzers: i will discuss Jimmy's actions at the end .... but do you think it is better to open or overcall after 1!s-2!h? semini: lol assaf->Kibitzers: open! semini: try the Madagascare flag -:) ->1Valeria: not good enough for 1!s-2!h-3!s? sceptic: :( ->sceptic: 4!h does not make on this defence 1Valeria: the problem was that I have H fit 3rd Was I wrong? ->1Valeria: which suit do you think will be best - I think spades will generally be better whatever holding opposite 1Valeria: then I liked much 3D :-(( 1Valeria: yes I see now jdelang->Kibitzers: Auw paulg: well defended Jimmy V->Club: ty sceptic->Club: wd opps Jimmy V: ty Jimmy V: gto paulg: so North-South will lose 14 IMPs here because they misdefended at the other table and let 4!h make paulg: in a sense wayne and val were going to be lucky for overbidding ... as 4!h will fail too on this defence paulg: luckily my defenders were not so good so I made 10 tricks .... paulg: but the bidding here is interesting so we shall start with this ... paulg: And the first question is for Jimmy :) paulg: the good bid of Jimmy's was his pass over 1!s-2!h .... since this is a dangerous point to bid Jimmy V: why not open? paulg: but I would certainly have opened paulg: i know it's only 10 points, but there are only six losers semini: where u from? paulg: and you can keep rebidding clubs until partner gets the message Jimmy V: right, but it wouldn't have slowed opps any paulg: no, but it would make life more difficult .... paulg: even with such a lowly bid ... Jimmy V: k paulg: after (1!c)-1!s-(Pass)- what does Wayne bid? OliverC: witcha paul, how's it going? paulg: this is how the auction started when I played ->OliverC: hi paulg: luckily I was playing 2!h now as a forcing bid ... but for many it is not after an overcall paulg: if 2!h is not forcing then I'd have to bid 2!c -- a general force -- not a good way to start with a red 2-suiter? paulg: anyhow, your pass led to an alternative interesting sequence ... paulg: 1!s-2!h seems normal .... paulg: now Val can bid 2!s as this is forcing (because 2/1) .... but could consider 3!s to show a solid suit paulg: an SAYC player would probably have to bid 3!s too paulg: With such good spades it is unlikely that you want to play in hearts ... whatever partner holds paulg: also, if partner is strong but has really bad spades he may not look for slam paulg: unless you bid 3!s paulg: wayne's 3!d is normal and Val's 3!h sets the trump suit .... paulg: now wayne bids 4!h ... which shows no slam interest at all ... paulg: so Val should probably pass as she needs wayne to have good hearts AND club control .... paulg: and he is unlikely to have both paulg: when he only bids 4!h sceptic: if I had club control I would bid 4!C not 4!H LadyStar17: will you be changing E/W after this hand? ->LadyStar17: yes, who is next? sceptic: after vals 3!H which shoowwed interest in continuing or she would sign off in 4!H paulg: right .... LadyStar17: cocos and jdelang sceptic: so my 4!H denied club control paulg: as I said, 4!h will also go down on Jimmy's defence .... paulg: so the only person I have not commented on is Nicholas :) .... paulg: therefore, does anyone remember what he played on the second club? Jimmy V: nine paulg: which is a clear signal for a diamond switch .... Jimmy V: i thot it was showing ct paulg: Nicholas' first card was the !c7 ... suggesting an odd number .... paulg: so on the second club he has the choice of playing the !c9 or !c10 ... paulg: since with two clubs he would have played the high card first paulg: so the !c9 can be a suit preference signal to indicate the lower of the 2 remaining suits ... Jimmy V: y paulg: a diamond Jimmy V: k paulg: in this case Jimmy's spade switch is just as effective Jimmy V: good paulg: so it doesn't cost when you switch to diamonds later ... paulg: but it is a useful trick when you have 3 or more cards in defence to use suit preference like this Jimmy V: ty paulg: ok, thanks to nicholas and jimmy ... paulg: and we'll welcome cocos and jdelang LadyStar17: !D!D Players for next set are: cocos and jdelang !D!D Jimmy V: ty Paul sceptic: hi coc hi jd 1Valeria: hi ollozzo (Lobby): hi Paul jdelang->Club: hi p jdelang: hi ->ollozzo: hi paulg: welcome jdelang: gl p paulg: well done ... sceptic->Club: wdo cocos: thanks ops jdelang: wd Jimmy V: wd paulg: notice how Val used the favourable vulnerability to put the opps under maximum pressure with that jump to 5!d Jimmy V: y jdelang: y paulg: similar things happened at most tables in the tournament ... and East just shut their eyes and bid 6!s ... paulg: so i think Johannes should really do the same here L) paulg: the double has only promised 6+ points ... and yet partner has still bid at the 5-level ... paulg: so I think you know partner must have at least two aces .... there are no other points left paulg: or, as here, partner is void in diamonds xfco: what about micheals bid ? ->xfco: not michaels when partner has opened xfco: oh ok paulg: any questions on this one? sceptic: nty jdelang: no 1Valeria: nty ->jdelang: opponents are just annoying :) -- good bid jdelang: opps must be ->cocos: 4!d is a cuebid .... ->cocos: with a natural 4!d would have bid it last time cocos: oh oh jdelang: gl p cocos: typ ->cocos: well, i thought it was a cuebid :) HadrianVII->Kibitzers: 6c hali11: claim??? sceptic->Club: wdo paulg: well played ... xfco->Club: wd cocos: thanks 1Valeria: wdo jdelang: wd paulg: so the bidding started well ... 1!c ... followed by 3!h paulg: I also bid 3!h holding these cards ... a little dangerous with a flat 7222 shape but better to bid high once than low many times ... paulg: johannes made a negative double ... a good bid, in fact the only bid with this hand paulg: i might have consider 4!s with Claudette's hand .. but 3!s is fine when partner is under pressure paulg: .. and then 4!d .... cocos: after his 4 diamond.. should i have played blackwood paulg: i thought this was a cuebid agreeing spades .... xfco: yes me too paulg: ...since with a natural 4!d you would bid it without the double paulg: over this Claudette probably should bid blackwood ... or cue bid 4!h ... luvlee2b: how could it be q bid without agreet trump? paulg: however 6!s does not make ... and I don't know how to find 6!c which is the only making slam paulg: So I think 4!d must be a cuebid that shows spades ..... paulg: you cannot have a natural 4!d bid .... jdelang: that's true paulg: as you would have bid 4!d rather than double ACBL (Broadcast): !D!D!C!D!DSIGN UP NOW !D4min!D ACBL Pairs !D4min!D SIGN UP NOW!!D!D!C!D!D paulg: so it can only show support paulg: East-West would lose 1 IMP on this board, as most players were in 4!s making 11 tricks ... paulg: one pair did bid 6!s ... but they also only made 11 tricks so lost 13 IMPs paulg: 6!c looks impossible to bid after 3!h ... paulg: especially as most pairs prefer to play the 4-4 fit rather than 5-3 xfco: sure ->LadyStar17: do we have another pair? jillybean2: why do pairs prefer 4-4 over 5-3? LadyStar17: yes tonwascok and jillybean2 paulg: so thanks to Claudette and Johannes ... a couple of more exciting hands for the EW pairs jdelang: thanks paulg: pairs prefer 4-4 so that they can get discards on the longer 5-card suit LadyStar17: that's toniwascol jillybean2: I need to think about that paulg: welcome jillybean2 and toniwascal jillybean2: hi all paulg: welcome everyone sceptic: hi toni hi kat 1Valeria: hi toniwascok: hi HadrianVII: hi may i play a hand? ->HadrianVII: message ladystar17 - she is organising the players for me sceptic: is 2 level better option vuln? ->sceptic: i also opened 2!h :) ->sceptic: the 7222 shape is really poor, any other shape and I'd have opened 3!h hali11: 5!D ->hali11: yep ->hali11: 6!d makes of course hali11: yes if hi fined the k !D ->sceptic: lucky - bizarre line there! sceptic: I should be -2 ? paulg: hm, can't really say well done after that diamond ruff but you did make the right number of tricks :) ->sceptic: no you could not make less, though you tried :) paulg: unfortunately East-West have missed a good 5!d contract ... sceptic: lol paulg: so perhaps we should have a quick look at how they might get there toniwascok: i should have dbled paulg: i also opened 2!h with wayne's hand .... unusual for me with 7 hearts but the vulnerability is unfavourable ... paulg: and this 2722 shape is poor ... paulg: my opponent doubled 2!h ... and got lucky when his partner bid diamonds ... paulg: but 2!s is fine .... paulg: but when 3!h comes back you really need to compete a bid more .... paulg: there are two options ... either 4!d or the flexible option of double .... paulg: double is more flexible as partner may be able to bid 3NT .. unlikely but possible .... paulg: also partner may pass ... and getting them 2 down would be great (but not possible here) paulg: as we've seen, wayne and valeria are aggressive players so it is important to compete against them .... paulg: otherwise they will steal contracts from you like this .... jillybean2: :( paulg: jilly may also have considered a double of 3!h ... again takeout .... paulg: but her hand is really just a little too weak paulg: for the play ... wayne should let the second diamond run to his king and then finesse the heart ... paulg: he was lucky that the !hK was singleton jillybean2: how does my p know my double there would be t/o and not penalty? paulg: all doubles are takeout ... paulg: this is another reason to double with the East hand ... in case you have a penalty paulg: my rule in competitive auctions is that all doubles are takeout .... sceptic: ah I see what I did wrong now paulg: they get slightly less takeout at higher levels, but they are rarely due to having good trumps paulg: i'm not saying this always works :) ... paulg: i conceded -990 (4!h-X making 11) and -650 (5!h-X making) yesterday ... jillybean2: ok :) BILmanager: does the 3!D bid have a name? 1Valeria: pard may be you are bidding Bergen? ->BILmanager: yes, a misbid BILmanager: rofl 1Valeria: :-)) sceptic: sorry all ->sceptic: weak, strong? sceptic: shows 4 hearts weakish 1Valeria: typ sceptic: with no x shows 0-6 hcp jillybean2: what were you saying about t/o X's? :)) ->jillybean2: it's okay - i'll exonerate you in a moment :) ->jillybean2: but it is going to work :) jillybean2: PHEW :) paulg: so this is a mild case of the operation failing but the patient survived :) sceptic: :)) 1Valeria: :) jillybean2: indeed :) baven: Is Jordan a good convention here, so 3!h can show a weak race? paulg: 3!h did show a weak raise baven->Club: premtive baven: misscount:) paulg: as baven implies, 2NT (known as Jordan) can be used to show a limit raise over the takeoit double paulg: which lets 3!h be a preemptive raise paulg: tough for Valeria to pass even though she has a 7-loser hand LadyStar17: !D!D Players for next set are: MiRU and isclou !D!D paulg: so I shall try and explain a little more about takeout doubles here ..... paulg: if you get lost, please let me know :) paulg: personally i would have overcalled 2!c with jilly's hand ... but double does get the spade suit into play directly paulg: After the 3!h and 4!h bids ... then jilly's double is still takeout ... paulg: however it does imply a lot more points now! paulg: we have already shown our hand with the first takeout double .. and nothing has changed .... paulg: PLUS partner still has the chance to double for penalties on this auction paulg: so this second double would typically show 16+ points .... paulg: Although it is a takeout double, toni is very happy to pass with 2 definite tricks paulg: It is more interesting to consider what to do with jilly's hand if valeria passes 3!H ... paulg: in this case partner could not double 3!h except for takeout .... paulg: so if partner has a penalty double she will pass paulg: and rely on jilly reopening .... Beky (Broadcast): !c !d !h !s !d REGISTER NOW !d 5 min !d #862 BBOITALIA !d ISCRIVETEVI ORA !d 5 min!d !c !d !h !s paulg: this is why I would have overcalled 2!c .... paulg: so the auction would have gone 1!h-2!c-3!h-Pass-Pass-? paulg: and now I can double for takeout, showing spades, and partner will probably go back to 4!c paulg: if the auctions goes (1!h)-Dble-(3!h)-Pass-(Pass)-Dble ... paulg: now partner may pass with !hAKx or bid 3!s paulg: actually, as partner is a passed hand you do not need to be so aggressive ... paulg: and can just pass out 3!h ... so not too dangerous at all paulg: as you can tell, i am happy to take quite a few risks in the auction paulg: any questions?? sceptic: nty jillybean2: nty MiRU: can i bid 3!s after takeout with a 3suit? LadyStar17: !D!D Players for next set are: MiRU and isclou !D!D jillybean2: thanks paulg: when you have 3343 shape you can bid a 3-card suit sceptic: hi mir hi isc MiRU: thx for the invitation paulg: thanks to jilly and toni isclou: hi all 1Valeria: hi :-) ->MiRU: 2!c was natural ... ->MiRU: you are probably best passing MiRU: he can have up to 40 hcp :) isclou: typ ->MiRU: he would double with a good hand ->MiRU: if you bid you need points or a fit in this auction :) MiRU: just didnt want to stop him :) ->MiRU: and the hand is such that he should pay for his bid, not you:) MiRU: i am the beginner, i m supposed to pay :) ->MiRU: true, but an intermediate should not encourage you! MiRU: thanks for your intervention ;) LadyStar17: !D Paul's web site is www.pooh-corner.demon.co.uk/paul/bbo !D sceptic: nto paulg: well defended .... paulg: so i'm not a big fan of the 2!c bid ..... paulg: primarily because partner has passed over 1!d .... paulg: wayne's 1NT suggests that he does not hold a 4 card major paulg: val is unlikely to hold a 5-card major .... paulg: so there is a reasonable chance that partner has 5 hearts ... paulg: but has not bid, so is probably weakish paulg: also the club suit is weak, so i think passing 1NT and taking a chance on defending this is best isclou: trying to push opps to 2 level sry p paulg: last hand for tonight .... MiRU: npp ->sceptic: not 2NT after the overall? ->sceptic: overcall! sceptic: could not remember what to bid after the H jillybean2: thanks paul, Ive gtg ->jillybean2: ty for playing ;) sceptic: I stopped using my notes :) isclou: glp MiRU: thx p ->MiRU: so people do not lead away from trump kings .... sceptic: trying to memorize everthing is hard work, it could take me months more :( isclou: wdp xfco->Club: wd LadyStar17: !D!D!D A special thanks to sceptic (Wayne) for sharing his lesson with us today. !D!D!D MiRU: thank you paul :) paulg: very well played sceptic: wdo 1Valeria: Thank you :-) paulg: so interestingly my teammates also made 4!h on the same lead sceptic: I should lead minors LadyStar17: !C!D!H!S Thanks to all the volunteers for playing and adding to the lesson !C!D!H!S paulg: As North I made 3NT when East led a low heart ... :) xfco: ty paul enjoyed :) LadyStar17: !H!H!H Thanks, Paul for a great lesson !H!H!H sceptic: thx paul good session paulg: so wayne's double was fine here .... but should probably lead !dA bwd1 (Lobby): Thank you Paul great lesson :)) paulg: thanks all for participating ..... isclou: tnx paul paulg: no session next week ... 1Valeria: bye all MiRU: was 4!h too dangerous? paulg: .... as it's my wife's birthday 1Valeria: :-(( paulg: i would not have bid 4!h here ... paulg: because 4!d does not sound a great spot for them ... sceptic: hope you are taking her somewhere nice and expensive :)) 1Valeria: oh Happy Birthday to her paulg: they will only score -130/-150 for 4!d if it makes .... isclou: also we were both passed hands paulg: and they may double 4!h for -300/500 MiRU: ok paulg: it is one of those situations where it cannot really cost for them to make 4!d ... paulg: not if they had bid 3NT then 4!h would be fine ;) paulg: now if they had bid 3NT ... 1Valeria: 3D is preempt paulg: should bid 2NT? 1Valeria: 2!H with Wayne's I think paulg: so thanks to Rosemary for assisting today, and to wayne, valeria and all our volunteers 1Valeria: bye thx again LadyStar17: !D Paul's web site is www.pooh-corner.demon.co.uk/paul/bbo HadrianVII: ty LadyStar17: !H!H!H Thanks, Paul for a great lesson !H!H!H paulg: see you all in a couple of weeks, when we shall start with a Play with the Expert session in a chatroom .... paulg: check out the next BIL news sceptic: bye paulg: bye for now BILmanager: thanks Paul