paulg: so hand 4 is the hand that won/lost the match .... paulg: wayne and I did not have a great auction but it contains some interesting points .... paulg: so the first difference between the 2 tables is my response here ..... paulg: the traditional bid is 1!d .... michal37: 1S paulg: however if partner has a minimum balanced hand we shall miss a spade fit .... paulg: so, as my hand is weakish and only worth one real bid I decided to show my weak 4-card major A2Bob->Club: new table BIL at A2Bob; please join for a friendly game paulg: this decision to bid 1!s is close even for me as the spades are so poor ... michal37: 3S ollozzo: hi Paul ->ollozzo: hi paulg: so Wayne now splintered to show spade support with 4!d dkgrab: 16 plus a singleton paulg: but what would 3!d have meant ?? dkgrab: splinter mortinii: jump 19+ scuff: forcing, big hand paulg: i think 3!d is splinter too, so I believe 4!d should really show a void paulg: that is because a 2!d rebid shows good diamonds, a strong hand and is forcing mortinii: ahhh dkgrab: 2Diam is a reverse correct? paulg: 2!d is a reverse ... which is why it is forcing for 1 round ... paulg: so you can always bid 3!d later when you have a strong club-diamond hand A2Bob->Kibitzers: anyone for a friendly game next door at A2Bob? paulg: so, I thought Wayne may not know this .... :) paulg: so I bid as if he had the hand he actually has .... paulg: so i cuebid 4!h paulg: for most players this would show the !hA or void .... paulg: ... however I know Wayne plays "Italian" cuebids so 4!h only promises first or second round control paulg: Also I have the !dA .... dkgrab: so why tell your p this if no ace paulg: it shows I do control the heart suit ... paulg: eventually :) dkgrab: lol okay paulg: at this point wayne should probably bid 4!s .... paulg: as I covered in my sessions before, you should try not to overbid good hands ... dkgrab: who is the captain at this stage? paulg: here wayne has already shown a VERY good hand with a singleton diamond .... paulg: but he is missing 3 aces so should signoff ... paulg: IF I have 2 aces I will certainly bid on ... so there is no need to push paulg: At this point in the auction there is no captain but I am the unlimited hand paulg: or perhaps less limited chiquita: ya llego el Boss:-( paulg: however Wayne bid 5!c ... so I showed my diamond control geofspa: didn't your pass limit your hand originally ->geofspa: yes paulg: so my 5!d must show 1st round control, as partner has singleton (or void) paulg: wayne showed continued interest with 5!h and then passes my signoff paulg: i think this shows why Wayne should bid 4!s rather than 5!c .... Reinhard M->Club: 3 p @ Reinhard M next door sceptic: y paulg: even though I cue bid again, it was still not enough for slam ... paulg: and we got to a level that is uncomfortable ... it needs friendly spades and clubs 3-3 paulg: in the other room robert made the more traditional 1!d bid ... as I said definitely not wrong robertn: I would bid 1!s with better spades, but thought 1!d described hand better here robertn: and here I might bid 1!s if sure p wouldn't take it as 4sf paulg: 1!s is 4th suit forcing for me ... so the alternatives are 1NT or 2!c ... dkgrab: i am surprised u r not in 3NT paulg: and this choice is partnership dependent ... and difficult for a new partnership scuff: Paul, you treat 1!s rebid here as 4sf even from a passed hand? paulg: if partner always bid 4-card majors over 1!d, then 1NT is probably better paulg: (to scuff) yes scuff: ok ty paulg: if partner rebids NT with balanced hands, then 2!c is best chiquita: what means 4sf? BILmanager: Hi I didnt know you were back today :-)) paulg: interesting question about how natural is 2!s :) ->BILmanager: no, free session :) robertn: wasn't sure at the table :) jdelang: i would't know how p took it paulg: on reflection, on this auction, it sounds very natural BILmanager: ok - a private party ! paulg: the reason is that north failed to bid 1NT or 1!s, so unlikely to be interested in NT ->BILmanager: not really, impromptu! BILmanager: lol paulg: so it probably does show the 4414 shape and strength paulg: however even an experienced partnership may have to think a long time about it BILmanager: did you get my email about producing booklets of BIL lesson notes ? ->BILmanager: yes paulg: robert shows a poor stop paulg: and Johannes should probably pass but worried about whether it might be forcing bids 3NT paulg: this appears to have done down due to lack of entries in the North hand ... jdelang: club discard robertn: it can be made but maybe that's double dummy paulg: but Deep Finesse shows it *can* always make if you can see all the hands .... I'll leave that down to the reader dkgrab: cool robertn: defence was good by scruff holding up Aces :) Pilar2000->Club: new table next door paulg: right robertn: scuff sorry :) scuff: ty, Robert Got me a headache on that one paulg: Were there any other interesting hands? isclou->Club: two needed at chandaa paulg: Next week we'll get back to the regular session at 7pm UK, 2pm EST ... paulg: Wayne and a partner will have some defensive problems to solve .... paulg: thanks to everyone who played in the match ... mortinii: thx paul... sceptic: thx Paul :) thx all